Terefri really was a threat to the format ?, in fact I hardly ever question the decisions of the duelcommander committee but this time I think that the justification although true, is not enough to send Teferi to oblivion, given that in the last great duelcommander tournaments He did not even reach the top 8. Although once the combo started it is virtually impossible to stop it, it is very easy to prevent it from starting, in the first place. Please beg to reconsider this decision, thank you!

I understand basically all of the ban update. Urza is ignorant, yuriko gets around Commander tax, arahbo sits in the command zone untouchable and kills u with derpy cats, najeela basically just goes infinite with herself, and teferi is just too blue, but why timetwister. Coming from someone who does not own a timetwister but would like to someday it saddens me that I would no longer be able to play it in this format. Your reasoning for the ban also seems a little shaky and I’m not gonna lie it kinda reads like you guys banned it because you don’t have it and you can’t get it. I don’t know if that’s the case but it kinda sounds like one of those, “If I can’t play with it no one can” mentalities lol. Giving you the benefit of the doubt that is not the case let’s examine your reasons. You consider this card extremely powerful (which it is) but in the same breath mention other broken cards such as skullclamp and demonic tutor which are legal (not to mention you just unbanned zur). Timetwister can be busted but there our many viable answers to such a card, especially in a format like this. It wasn’t because it’s a key card in top tier decks either, it seems like the only real reason to ban this card is the price and that is somewhat terrifiying. Am I going to have to worry about my other powerful expensive cards that I love to play in this format such as Chains, the abyss, diamond valley, etc. while they might not currently command the same value as a timetwister they are all steadily and surely creeping their way up the price ladder. I would understand if it was part of a degenerate combo or a must of in every blue deck and while it certainly can go in any blue deck, it’s not entirely necessary. Wotc has given us many forms of time and many ways to punish those who time so I think this particular banning doesn’t really hold up. Please don’t ban cards because of value, you will devalue your own format.

Yuriko is strong, but not overpowered. It had some easy to Disrupt weakness. It is sad to see her get banned, while Op commanders like zur and erayo get unbanned…

Really happy for the Urza ban.

bonjour

je pense sincèrement q’avec vos interdictions vous ne tué pas la méta (car il y aura un ou deux deck sur représenter) mais le jeu en lui même, car on achète des cartes avec l’argent qu’ on gagne à la sueur de nos fronts. Vous en comité restreint, vous vous dites “celle là non, celle ci oui” et nous on paye des sommes folles pour avoir une liste de cartes qui ne serve plus car un carte ce fait bannir. Je prends mon cas j’ai commencé en 2016 le DC je monte “edgar markov” je loupe le 1 er tournois à coté de chez moi dans une petite ville, 15 jours après sa sorti il est banni. Je monte un deck “baral” il se fait bannir aussi. Je monte un deck “arahbo” le voila banni a son tour vous imaginez vraiment que je vais continuer a payer des cartes pour ne pas pouvoir en profité plus d’un an. vous vous foutez de la gueule des gens. Si vous payez la facture des cartes après un ban vous reverriez peu être la liste des bans a la baisse.

Danzen, Soulmate.

Urza ban ✓

Yuriko, Najeela.. …??
→ 25 HP ✓

Teferi..?

Timetwister I have to agree, playerunfriendly. ✓

Erayo unban. Hm.

I think that this is going way to fast. Urza was an obvious ban, hands down. Maybe Urza should have been banned just after the big tournament where he dominated the top8. Because it was already obvious that he was broken. But the rest… None of these generals were a threat to the metagame. And the metagame was diverse as never before.

But banning 6 generals at a time to make the format more “diverse” and unbanning 3 generals proven to be broken in the past… what is the purpose? I thought of this format as of something more or less stationary with minor changes due to the new cards. But it is constantly changing since the 20HP rule. I don’t wand to modify my decks anymore, because I’ll probably have to do it again quite soon without really testing them. I wish I could go like 3 month into the past and just stay there for a while, no more changes, no more new cards etc

I think that ban is a powerful tool that should be used carefully. If you see that format has been swallowed by a single deck (like what Urza did two month ago) then the deck should definitely be banned immediately, if the format got stuck with the same 3 generals taking 60% of the metagame, then yes, maybe something should be done.

But these massive preemptive bans make a lot of players who were running these decks feel sad and disappointed.

And these arguments about card prices are out of place. Seriously, just stop banning players’ decks for nothing instead.

P.S. I think that comments here will soon take form “please, don’t ban XXX”

I’m still hoping for a time when Wizards would step in and officially own this format and stop the tyranny of this self-appointed committee. They have repeatedly shown that they are out of touch with the players and susceptible to making arbitrary decisions. It’s time that the job of maintaining this format be in the hands of people who are also not actively competing against you.

They tried this before with 1v1 Commander but it failed because they tried to create a new format without drawing from the vast experience of Duel Commander. Hopefully, they would do it again and do it right.

Je pense sincèrement que vos interdictions ne vont pas changer la méta mais vont finir par tué le jeu en lui même. Car il restera toujours deux ou 3 decks sur représenté, Nous achetons des liste de cartes avec de l’argent gagné a la sueur nos fronts. Vous êtes dans un comité restreint, vous vous dites « celle ci oui celle là non » Je prends mon cas j’ai commencé en 2016 le DC je monte “edgar markov” je loupe le premier tournois à coté de chez moi dans une petite ville, 15 jours après il est banni, même pas pu le testé. Je monte un deck “baral” il se fait bannir aussi. Je monte un deck «arahbo» le voila banni a son tour, Vous vous imaginez vraiment que je vais continuer à payer des cartes pour pouvoir en profité qu’un an. vous vous foutez de la gueule des gens.

Really the teferi ban was necessary? If the problem revolves around HIDE TIDE, why not ban this? Why take away the few decent Commanders that he has left? I really do not understand, I’ve been playing Commander for 5 years, Teferi was my only commander and although Teferi was strong, His combo can be stopped … And without Hide Tide it becomes more difficult to make the combo … I do not understand and I hope you reconsider

The new bans hasn’t been updated in the oficial page: http://www.duelcommander.com/banlist/ No body care about the page credibility with this kind of mistakes?

If we look at the current metagame on mtgtop8 with Urza banned and Yuriko banned, we’ll see a dramatic gap between mono-red burn and the rest of aggro (poor Arahbo and Najeela being actually barely present). The other remarkably successful deck is Tymna + Thrasios. These are the next two targets for the ban-hammer? Actually, in the context of this logic “we ban everything that cheats on the commander tax rule” partners gotta be banned because they circumvent this rule quite straightforwardly, you pay no commander tax to cast the second commander. But whatever.

one more word on TNN, if Arahbo is considered to be broken because it is impossible to interact with it (which is false because you can interact with the tiny cat, ready to die because of any kind of removal, and protections is not an argument because it has nothing to do with cats, anybody can play them in any deck, and without a cat Arahbo is as good as junk), then TNN is broken as well because many decks don’t have any way to interact with it (if you don’t play wrath effects or something like toxic deluge, cards generally less common than spot removals). Why in one case a card, which does not do anything on its own, is banned, while in the other, the card quite capable of killing the opponent is OK?

The problem is that if Arahbo with his 5% of meta got banned as an “overpowerd commander”, then what can we say about Kari-zev with her 12%? On the other hand it is obvious that Kari-Zev is not overpowerd in any way and does not deserve a ban. (I believe that Arahbo is not worth a ban either) And yet red burn is extremely successful. Banning strong burn cards is just not effective because there will be more of them printed (and honestly apart from price of progress which is broken, other red cards don’t deserve their bans). It is just not sustainable.

There is a fundamental problem with 20HP commander. If 30 was too much (too many control decks), 20 is too little (mono red is the best deck). You know, in the game of go they were adjusting the compensation for the second player for centuries? 5.5 – 6.5 – 7.5 points. Why not to experiment with the life total? 25 HP seems good. Moreover people have already mentioned 25 in the comments, the idea is in the air.

And I would really love to see this format stabilized. My favorite format, I’ll get totally depressed if it disintegrates

Please give more convincing explanations! more details!
Pleeaaaase!

I can understand explanation such as effect :
-cheating with general costs are unfair
-over-represented generals are unhealthy
-fast stupid combo with a general is not fun

But :
-time twister is too expensive
-najeela requires à 5 color mana base (it’s expensive) with fine choice of creature (hum…. well) and it adds tokens (way too oppressive)

Come on! Just make some effort for explanations! Please!

Marath beeing too agressive, unfair and combo-ish when it was representing 0% of the meta was probably the biggest joke of 2016. But, you had good points! It was fine!