So how is this going to work out now?

Looks promisimg once the dust settles. I still think humility and Tabernacle at Pendravale should be unbanned. They both stop fast mana dork decks. And Tabernacle is so expensive you may rarely run into it. I guess i cant say much now – but its seems like WOTC is making a giant step in the right direction. Probably will be crystalized by late 2017. Until then i’ll keep tweaking and trading.

Why ban sierra ascend if starting hp 20?
Why dont inclus in your list Primal titan ?

@Jackson: I think both of them are going to be unbanned in the next weeks, they were banned because the list was going to be unified with multiplayer, but now it isn’t anymore so no reason to keep both of them in there, and also Braids, since she is a **** on multiplayer against less prepared players, but on 1v1 without fast mana she is barely a tier 2 deck.

The lit is actually pretty bad, but they said they will work to balance it out as soon as possible, so I have great expectations for this! Bring the commander feeling that we lost back to us WoTC! 🙂

I just find it strange that WotC does not want to benefit from the experience that the Duel Commander committee has had in managing a banlist throughout the years, and instead goes on instinct on what would be broken in the format instead of relying on the field experience of the DC committee about what is actually broken. Arcum Dagsson banned, seriously? I don’t even think it ever won anything in DC.

@Nabil Stendardo

Arcum Dagsson got an incredibly strong card, namely Paradox Engine: I am sure he’d be alot stronger if it weren’t for the 20 hp stuff.

Also putting the Duel Commander committee as an example for « experienced people » seems weird since all they did the past few changes has been given nothing but negative feedback.

@Cainsson well played. I lol’ed.

@Tyneic while paradox engine does allow you to use Arcum Dagsson more, you still have to have a non-creature arifact to sacrifice when you use him. Now this is of course made easy when you have my retriever or one of the many creatures like him, but the thing that really hurts Arcum is that he has to run so many creature cards like that in order to draw them consistently that he can’t run as many other cards to protect the combo pieces like a high tide deck can, for example. Destroying Arcum while he is summoning sick, or song of the dryads, or imprisoned in the moon, what have you easily deal with Arcum for much less mana than it costs to cast him. He quickly gets too expensive to cast. The problem is he is not as fast as someone like Yisan, and isn’t as resilient via other cards that do the same thing as easily as Yisan or high tide. Yisan has mana dorks, green ramp, and survival of the fittest, birthing pod, fauna shaman, etc. High tide has high tide or extraplanar lens with palinchron rings and monolith, and if it has teferi as the commander or in the deck it has teferi and the chain veil with either high tide or extraplanar lens. Arcum has, well, Arcum, and if you deal with Arcum you basically shutdown the whole deck. He would be terrifying if he were hexproof or had haste, but using your first tutor with him to get say, lightning greaves really slows you down. And giving him haste in blue is basically restricted to lightning greaves and swiftboots type equipments and if you run too many of those you don’t have enough combo protection or creatures to sacrifice with him.

It’s clearly a work in progress. Tasigur isn’t banned, either, which seems a bit like an oversight. But they freely admitted that there may be a need to adjust the list quickly and frequently, so that’s good.

The best we can do is give FEEDBACK, FEEDBACK, FEEDBACK. It’s our best shot at making the format work well.

It’s almost as though the format was in its infancy and the banned list required frequent and radical changes before it’s any good.

OH WAIT THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT THEY SAID FROM THE GET-GO.

I’d just like to reiterate just how important it is that 1v1 EDH became official – just because of that, we have people like LSV actually playing EDH, making videos, and putting them out there. He also nicely showcased some of the problems of the format (like Baral), and because of the exposure that is now very much brought to the attention of the people in charge. It is publicity like that which will help make the format what we want it to be, and that sort of publicity is pretty much only possible with official support.

I encourage everyone to help contribute to improving 1v1 EDH. Even if you don’t play on MTGO (I personally am still boycotting it for various reasons) you can leave feedback on forums, twitter, and so on. It’s important people do, and do it well; while « omg fuck Baral » is feedback of a sort, a sentence or two with more constructive content can really help get change underway.

Keep in mind that in EDH they’re always trying to straddle between allowing cool cards and having a balanced format. And it’s far from as obvious as you make it out to be – yes everyone can see how brokenly good Mana Crypt is, but the crux lies in cards that are powerful but not necessarily TOO powerful. There are many cards that are highly contested in that regard, with very divided opinions. Cards like e.g. Survival of the Fittest come to mind, or commanders like Yisan. It’s far from obvious what to ban and what to allow, and it’s not like DC’s track record in banning/unbanning is flawless in that respect either (look how long it took them to ban Vial Smasher, which many argue is SO OBVIOUSLY overpowered).

Dont be lazy and write out the FULL seperate banlist for both. Make it simple and layed out. This is gongshow style.

Arcum is a joke, Paradox or not.

Right now, blue-based control is still firmly in the lead. Even Vial Smasher decks are all blue pairings, which is no coincidence of course.

It’s difficult to pinpoint where the problem lies. 30 life is one aspect, however reducing it to 20 or 25 comes with a slew of other problems, not the least of which is format identity.
Certain commanders are another possible angle, banning Baral, Tasigur, and Vial Smasher may just do the trick; alternatives such as Vendilion Clique or Geist of Saint Traft don’t look nearly as oppressive.
Another possibility would be UNbanning certain cards, e.g. midrange creature-based combo enablers like Survival, Yisan, etc.

We’ll see what the announcement on Wednesday brings in terms of changes.